Cash-Landrum 29 décembre 1980 DAYTON TEXAS

Sebastien a écrit:J'ai mappé la carte de Wim Van Utrecht sur Google Earth et mis en évidence la raffinerie en question. Qu'est-ce que vous utilisez pour partager un fichier en ligne?  

Sebastien a écrit: Qu'est-ce que vous utilisez pour partager un fichier en ligne?  

Sebastien a écrit:Very interesting theory that we'll have to dig a little bit. The linked image isn't visible in the text of Wim. Here it is I think: http://www.caelestia.be/reflections/reflections-fig1.jpg

On January 7, 2007, an equipment malfunction triggered an emergency flaring at the Dutch manufacturing company of Dow Chemical in Terneuzen. The huge flame that accompanied the excessive gas emission produced a bright reflection that stirred commotion in the provinces of Zeeland (the Netherlands) and Oost-Vlaanderen (Belgium). Inspired by witnesses who believed that the second coming of Christ was at hand, newspapers and television stations spoke of the return of the Star of Bethlehem. Fortunately, members of the Philippus Langsbergen Observatory in Middelburg were interviewed as well. Since they were acquainted with the phenomenon of gas-flame reflections, their explanations helped put matters to rest.

The picture above was taken by a member of the observatory and published the next day by the local newspaper Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant and de national paper De Telegraaf. See next images for three more pictures of this same reflection taken by other amateur astronomers.

sentry579 a écrit:Also, a video slideshow of Vickie's NUFORC call:

Sentry579 a écrit:Wim van Utrecht has kindly allowed me to publish a revised version of his unpublished 2002 Cash-Landrum examination: http://www.blueblurrylines.com/2013/11/cash-landrum-theory-analysis.html

Again, it is a very interesting piste/hypothesis (and a new one).
If I'm correct, LP may be seen by individuals, but not by others, depending the point(s) of location they are situated. It could explain why not so much other witnesses saw it. The L.P. phenomenon being "intrinsically" rare, well we have a good potential "explanation" why the sighting is resisting, and why the witnesses have been "legitimately" surprised. Beyond this explanation is pointing a real stimulus, well matching with what is described (taking into account how narratives may be more or less well describing what it is realy seen), we have an economical explanation.


The "problem" is that not the "full" Cash-Landrum file is addressed by Wim's excellent article, noticeably the "Helicopters" chapter/ingredient.
As Curt wrote in his comments section: [quote] Obviously, it doesn't fully account for many other elements in the case, but I'm glad Wim has taken a serious look at it, and considered that there was a genuine event at the core of the story. I'm hoping Wim will offer further opinions once he's had a chance to absorb more of the recent material.[/img]

But well, IFO studies (aka UFO cases explained) show how legacies are sometimes “cumulating” many conventional variables, from real stimulus observed to "embellishments", projective transpositions, etc. and then how some IFO cases are in reality very complex, even if they are, in reality, involving "conventional" variables (in interaction).
Like other "good and solid" cases (ie: RB47H), it is possible many conventional variables are in interaction (if cases in reality involving no “fortean” entities), and then a posteriori, it is more or less "impossible" to solve such cases definitively.
I'm humblely among the ones who think, it is one the reasons why we will have ALWAYS unsolvable cases, even if this UFO phenomenon had nothing Fortean...

nablator a écrit:[ From the Bergstrom Interview, 60 to 80 feet above and 130 feet distance ...

sentry579 a écrit:I have doubts about how closely she could determine the distance of the bright object from the car.

The adult witnesses originally were not able to tell if they were seeing helicopters or airplanes, which would seem to indicate they were distant.

http://www.theblackvault.com/encyclopedia/documents/MUFON/Journals/1983/September_1983.pdf a écrit:Tape Recording Made At Parkway
Hospital On 1 February 1981
(Approx.), and Furnished To Bill
English at APRO
Betty said, after getting back into
the car at the initial sighting scene, that
the object went up into the sky, and
"but there was a quite a few helicopters
circling around. I don't know whether
they were trying to get around it or up
closer to it or what, to see maybe what it
was."
Betty said, when they stopped on
the Huffman-Crosby road, "but at this
time I counted 23 helicopters, around
and about the object. They were far
away but yet they were low enough and
we set there and watched them 'till they
got over the car because I wanted to
make sure if it was airplanes or if it was
helicopters, which it was helicopters. I
counted 23 of them. I don't know what
color they were, I can't say. But I do
know that they had a double deal on the
top, propeller-like thing. And I could
hear 'em just as plain as if they were
right ready to land...."

The adult witnesses originally were not able to tell if they were seeing helicopters or airplanes, which would seem to indicate they were distant.

D. H. Rawcliffe coined this term to refer to the process of telling a story that is factual to some extent, but which gets distorted and falsified over time by retelling it with embellishments. The embellishments may include speculations, conflating events that occurred at different times or in different places, and the incorporation of material without regard for accuracy or plausibility. The overriding force that drives the story is to find or invent details that fit with a desired outcome. The process can be conscious or unconscious. The original story gets remodeled with favorable points being emphasized and unfavorable ones being dropped. The distorted and false version becomes a memory and record of a remarkable tale. [...] The term is used in psychology to describe the process of creating false memories by selecting and reshaping incidents from the past to fit present needs. Retrospective falsification occurs in most, if not all, people and is generally an unconscious process.

sentry579 a écrit:This tape is also transcribed in Schuessler's book, page 39.

sentry579 a écrit:It could be that JS felt that weakened the story by having the copters so near the city- just speculating.

If I'm correct, LP may be seen by individuals, but not by others, depending the point(s) of location they are situated. It could explain why not so much other witnesses saw it.

marcassite a écrit:

If I'm correct, LP may be seen by individuals, but not by others, depending the point(s) of location they are situated. It could explain why not so much other witnesses saw it.

Je ne suis pas d'accord sur ce point qui pose problème (avec le point 6 de la carte) . Les piliers de lumière sont visibles sous divers angles (hauteurs) et diverses positions autour de la source (puisque les cristaux sont horizontaux) => témoins nombreux.

Only crystals on a column roughly midway between the light and the observer give a reflection into the eye because the small crystal mirrors are nearly horizontal and the incident and reflected rays must make equal angles to the crystal faces.

Gilles F. a écrit:Faudrait voir avec un spécialiste (que je ne suis pas), mais j'aurais tendance à maintenir ce que j'ai écrit.

Faudrait voir avec un spécialiste.

Pour Nab, ne pas chercher qu'un incendie de raffinerie mais un incident technique qui impliquerait un gros lâcher à la torchère d'une raffinerie (ou d'un terminal gazier portuaire).