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A vrai dire l'anglais utilisé dans le podcast est un anglais rapide et non régulier. La spontanéité du dialogue, les hesitations, les changements en cour de phrase et les raccords abruptes rendent le tout dure a suivre.
Cette partie est aussi utile pour verifier ultérieurement que nos traductions ne contiennent pas des deformations et omissions volontaires du texte original comme j'ai pu le voir avec certains communiqués sur des forums peu scrupuleux.
SN : Steven Novella
BN : Bob Novella
XX : secret agent Jay ?
SN (00:21) On July 8th 1947, the Roswell army airfield issued a press release stating that personnel from the field 509th bomb group have recovered material from a "flying disc" on a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico. Thus starting the Roswell New Mexico UFO mythology. Although it didn't mature until many decades afterwards.
BN (00:52) And actually Roswell is a bit of a misnomer. I don't know if you guys knew that it actually..the crash actually took place closer to Corona, Mexico. That's a town that was closest to the alleged crash site. Roswell is actually the nearest military base.
SN (1:08) One of the interesting things about this, I mean this is a study in modern mythology and we have fairly well documented how this story has evolved over time. And we can see how the elements were added from other myths like when the gray aliens emerged as the typical icon of an alien and they became incorporated into the Roswell mythology. Although prior to the 1970's, for almost 30 years, there was no mention of any aliens in Roswell having anything to do with the crash.
XX (1:41) Yeah that's right. It's taken on not only a life of its own but several layers that have compounded the Roswell mythology. And that's exactly what it is, it is one of the greatest American mythology that has evolved over the past 60 plus years.
SN (1:57) One thing that's very interesting is that how utterly ordinary and mundane the contemporary reports and accounts of the crash recovery are. For example the ranger William mc Brazel (??) found this cluster of debris on his ranch sometime in June of 1947. And anywhere between one to three weeks went by before he thought to report it to anybody, it didn't seem that out of the ordinary to him. It was described as a collection of rubber strips, tin foil, rather tough paper and sticks.
BN (2:35) Well clearly these are pieces of a technologically advanced spaceship that came from an other star. ;-)
SN (2:40) Right... yeah (lol)!
XX (2:41) That's right Bob, it would take that kind of advancement in order to be able to use those mundane materials to travel intergalactic distances. ;-)
SN (2:50) It actually wasn't until after he heard about the whole flying saucer flap that he decided to report this to sheriff Wilcox saying "Hey maybe this is one of them flying saucers?!", you know. Just sort of piggyback on the "flying disc" or "flying saucer" story that was going around right at that time. And then the sheriff, sheriff Wilcox, reported to the Roswell army airfield Major Jesse Marcel who was the one who responded. That's what led to the famous press release that the army airforce base recovered a "flying disc". That was before any information was gathered and material looked at. It was just a press secretary reacting to the reports, again going along with the story that was in the news cycle that month of that year about a flying disc being seen. But nothing again, I mean, really among a very mundane description of the wreckage no aliens. A week is going by without anybody thinking it's a big deal. It was really just that one press secretary saying the words "flying disc" that started the whole mythology of it.
XX (4:00) Steve I have one story from the Roswell incident that's definitely my favorite and it's a very good example of taking something that's mundane and turning it into something fantastic. Now, when they've found the weather balloon, the remnants of the crashed weather balloon that was sent up, somebody stated that they saw alien writing on the weather balloon, on the thing that they claimed was a spaceship or whatever but it was actually a weather balloon. And what that alien writing actually turned out to be as was reported by the scientist who put it on the weather balloon was ...was.. last minute they ran to the store and got like a children's decorative tape that had silly symbols on it, you know, and, you know. And I always like think "ok, it's clouds and dogs and stuff like that" but it just had, you know, kids fun symbols on it and that evolved into alien writing.
SN (4:50) Now in the intervening years this is the, the now airforce has explained this wreckage as the results of not just an ordinary weather balloon but as Project Mogul, which was a secret spy balloon that we were using to spy on soviet nuclear weapons testing at the time. Which explains the reason that the military and the government at the time wanted to keep the thing a little bit hush-hush and squirreled away the wreckage and... It wasn't forthcoming with the details at the time, but that doesn't mean that they were covering up an alien spacecraft. Right. The military keeping secrets doesn't equal flying saucer.
XX (5:30) Unless you're a conspiracy nut.
SN (5:32) Right.
BN (5:33) I like the description you guys have given about this as a mythology, now we can see how this mythology has grown over the years. And common with I guess most mythologies is this concept of retrospective falsification which Roswell is a classic example of. The idea behind this is that you have a fantastic story which is told and retold and then details are embellished and they're added to spice things up and then you have unfavorable details that are dropped. And this is exactly what happens with the Roswell story. If you compare what really happened and what it evolved into it's just a classic example.
SN (6:09) It is amazing and it makes you question any story from the past that went into any period when it was being passed around orally. I mean this shows you into the last 50 years you can turn a crashed weather balloon into a massive UFO cover-up with aliens and the men in black, etc... Imagine a 100 years ago, 500 years ago, a 1000 years ago what an unusual occurrence might have evolved into through the retelling. We can see how so many mythologies make up our culture and our belief system.
version 1.01
A vrai dire l'anglais utilisé dans le podcast est un anglais rapide et non régulier. La spontanéité du dialogue, les hesitations, les changements en cour de phrase et les raccords abruptes rendent le tout dure a suivre.
Cette partie est aussi utile pour verifier ultérieurement que nos traductions ne contiennent pas des deformations et omissions volontaires du texte original comme j'ai pu le voir avec certains communiqués sur des forums peu scrupuleux.
SN : Steven Novella
BN : Bob Novella
XX : secret agent Jay ?
SN (00:21) On July 8th 1947, the Roswell army airfield issued a press release stating that personnel from the field 509th bomb group have recovered material from a "flying disc" on a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico. Thus starting the Roswell New Mexico UFO mythology. Although it didn't mature until many decades afterwards.
BN (00:52) And actually Roswell is a bit of a misnomer. I don't know if you guys knew that it actually..the crash actually took place closer to Corona, Mexico. That's a town that was closest to the alleged crash site. Roswell is actually the nearest military base.
SN (1:08) One of the interesting things about this, I mean this is a study in modern mythology and we have fairly well documented how this story has evolved over time. And we can see how the elements were added from other myths like when the gray aliens emerged as the typical icon of an alien and they became incorporated into the Roswell mythology. Although prior to the 1970's, for almost 30 years, there was no mention of any aliens in Roswell having anything to do with the crash.
XX (1:41) Yeah that's right. It's taken on not only a life of its own but several layers that have compounded the Roswell mythology. And that's exactly what it is, it is one of the greatest American mythology that has evolved over the past 60 plus years.
SN (1:57) One thing that's very interesting is that how utterly ordinary and mundane the contemporary reports and accounts of the crash recovery are. For example the ranger William mc Brazel (??) found this cluster of debris on his ranch sometime in June of 1947. And anywhere between one to three weeks went by before he thought to report it to anybody, it didn't seem that out of the ordinary to him. It was described as a collection of rubber strips, tin foil, rather tough paper and sticks.
BN (2:35) Well clearly these are pieces of a technologically advanced spaceship that came from an other star. ;-)
SN (2:40) Right... yeah (lol)!
XX (2:41) That's right Bob, it would take that kind of advancement in order to be able to use those mundane materials to travel intergalactic distances. ;-)
SN (2:50) It actually wasn't until after he heard about the whole flying saucer flap that he decided to report this to sheriff Wilcox saying "Hey maybe this is one of them flying saucers?!", you know. Just sort of piggyback on the "flying disc" or "flying saucer" story that was going around right at that time. And then the sheriff, sheriff Wilcox, reported to the Roswell army airfield Major Jesse Marcel who was the one who responded. That's what led to the famous press release that the army airforce base recovered a "flying disc". That was before any information was gathered and material looked at. It was just a press secretary reacting to the reports, again going along with the story that was in the news cycle that month of that year about a flying disc being seen. But nothing again, I mean, really among a very mundane description of the wreckage no aliens. A week is going by without anybody thinking it's a big deal. It was really just that one press secretary saying the words "flying disc" that started the whole mythology of it.
XX (4:00) Steve I have one story from the Roswell incident that's definitely my favorite and it's a very good example of taking something that's mundane and turning it into something fantastic. Now, when they've found the weather balloon, the remnants of the crashed weather balloon that was sent up, somebody stated that they saw alien writing on the weather balloon, on the thing that they claimed was a spaceship or whatever but it was actually a weather balloon. And what that alien writing actually turned out to be as was reported by the scientist who put it on the weather balloon was ...was.. last minute they ran to the store and got like a children's decorative tape that had silly symbols on it, you know, and, you know. And I always like think "ok, it's clouds and dogs and stuff like that" but it just had, you know, kids fun symbols on it and that evolved into alien writing.
SN (4:50) Now in the intervening years this is the, the now airforce has explained this wreckage as the results of not just an ordinary weather balloon but as Project Mogul, which was a secret spy balloon that we were using to spy on soviet nuclear weapons testing at the time. Which explains the reason that the military and the government at the time wanted to keep the thing a little bit hush-hush and squirreled away the wreckage and... It wasn't forthcoming with the details at the time, but that doesn't mean that they were covering up an alien spacecraft. Right. The military keeping secrets doesn't equal flying saucer.
XX (5:30) Unless you're a conspiracy nut.
SN (5:32) Right.
BN (5:33) I like the description you guys have given about this as a mythology, now we can see how this mythology has grown over the years. And common with I guess most mythologies is this concept of retrospective falsification which Roswell is a classic example of. The idea behind this is that you have a fantastic story which is told and retold and then details are embellished and they're added to spice things up and then you have unfavorable details that are dropped. And this is exactly what happens with the Roswell story. If you compare what really happened and what it evolved into it's just a classic example.
SN (6:09) It is amazing and it makes you question any story from the past that went into any period when it was being passed around orally. I mean this shows you into the last 50 years you can turn a crashed weather balloon into a massive UFO cover-up with aliens and the men in black, etc... Imagine a 100 years ago, 500 years ago, a 1000 years ago what an unusual occurrence might have evolved into through the retelling. We can see how so many mythologies make up our culture and our belief system.
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