La photo retrouvée de Life Magazine (archive) d'un des fils TRENT (McMinnville pictures)...

Concernant ta question, Gilles, je vais voir ce qu'il est possible de faire, mais le fait que, toutes les photos étant carrées ou pratiquement, se serait une sacrée coïncidence que celle du "gosse sur l'escabeau" aie été recoupée à la même taille que les autres issues de LIFE Magazine.

Gilles F. a écrit:
J'ai l'impression que les carrées viennent d'un 6x6 fin années 40/début 50, ayant un objectif de longueur focale, inférieure à celle d'un Roamer I (100 mm). Un 50 mm ?

Gilles F. a écrit:Nous avions raison :
Il y en a 25 au total...

Lance said...
This story is over.
Evidence has surfaced, supplied by David Rudiak, that completely refutes Tony' claim.
David has 25+ photos from the same LIFE magazine shoot from which the ladder photo was taken.
Rich has now also seen these.
The photos show the ladder boy (presumedly Trent's son) in many other different poses and the exact same outfit. There is an additional ladder photo as well.
These are all obviously shot by a photo-journalist.
All of these are in the same square format noted by Gilles.
The Roamer I camera that Trent owned shoots a maximum of 7 landscape format photos.
All we are waiting for now is the retraction and apology by Tony.
Many thanks to David Rudiak and Happy Holidays,
Lance

elevenaugust a écrit:Bravo Gilles et merci à nos amis Américains!
Est-il prévu que les autres photos soient diffusées?
C'est IsaacKoi, Arbitrageur et tous les membres d'ATS qui ont suivis cette affaire depuis longtemps qui vont être contents; et ils le seront encore plus si toutes les images de LIFE sont diffusée!
Je mettrais sans doute un mot en citant le forum ici et UFO iconoclast sur ATS à ce sujet.

As I read through the various comments I see that Lance has asked for an 'apology'...which (if there is one) must come from the source of any error made.

That source is, as he knows, James Oberg. Oberg is a well-known space 'journalist' with professional ties to NASA who has been admired by Lance-like skeptics (such as Tim Printy) for a very long time.

It is Oberg who is the origin of the problem.

The inescapable fact is that it is Oberg who made the first public display on the net of the 'ladder boy' image- not me.

He did this three years ago on the ATS (Above Top Secret) forum. He deliberately dropped the "bombshell" photo of the boy on the ladder on a an ATS forum apparently in a misguided effort to further the belief that Trent had hoaxed the UFO photos.

All Oberg would state when questioned by those on ATS was that LIFE 'bought the rights' to the 'ladder boy' photo.

Oberg did not attempt to clarify the image beyond saying that LIFE had to pay for it, indicating that they had 'acquired' it. He preferred to perpetuate a mystery about the 'ladder boy photo' by failing to say anything more about it- and then deleting the image on the site.

And I am not the first or only to fall for the Oberg misinformation:

As I mentioned in an earlier comment, other posters on other site forums (including this past July on Unexplained Mysteries) understood Oberg as meaning that the rights to the 'ladder boy' photo were acquired by LIFE (i.e. purchased) and not made by an employee of LIFE, leading one long-time poster to also conclude and state -when he reproduced the Oberg image of the boy on the ladder on Unexplained Mysteries- that they were from the same roll as the UFO photos.

And I will not embarrass 'researcher' and skeptic Joel Carpenter (who is Lance's associate) but to say that he privately sent to me an email earlier today that was laced with extreme vulgarities such as "fuck Oberg" and which was peppered with even more extreme obscenities to describe the Oberg I cannot repeat.

As Lance is aware, it was Carpenter who did the apologizing to me in another email this evening, sorrowful about the language that he had used to describe how he feels about Oberg.

It is clear that Carpenter and Lance know that Oberg is the source of the 'controversy' over this photo.

But even after Joel Carpenter used a string of expletives to me to describe Oberg, he still felt compelled to excuse Oberg's error by saying that Oberg 'says things in odd ways' - whatever that means.

And Lance himself, in an earlier comment on this site, said that Oberg is merely "mistaken." He asks no 'apology' of Oberg as he does of me...

And finally, it is interesting that both Lance and Carpenter are generally in agreement with people like Oberg- but in this case they are willing to "throw him under the bus."

And apparently me too... because I trusted Oberg, a rabid skeptic like they are, who in this case, I thought was telling the truth.

To have been 'taken in' by a skeptic and then excoriated by skeptics for having believed one of their own is just incredible.

AJB

PS I will review the photos provided but the holidays and visitors are coming so it may be a bit before I can provide a more complete reply.

nablator a écrit:Oberg n'a jamais écrit que Paul Trent a pris la photo du gosse sur l'échelle. Il a été peu clair en écrivant que "LIFE a acquis tous les droits" ici :
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread506175/pg7#pid7301127

"My retired LIFE employee source indicated LIFE indeed had access to all of the negatives of pictures that were also on the UFO picture roll, confirming Oberg and the two Unexplained Mysteries researchers."

Gilles F. a écrit:A la décharge de Bragalia, Oberg avait dit cela - même pellicule - sur un autre forum (UM je crois), pas sur ATS.

#10 by Jim Oberg on http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=234520 :
Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:54 PM
I always found it curious that the lines-of-sight to the Trent/McMinnville object crossed beneath an overhead power line that was usually conveniently cropped out of most published versions of the photos, and one other photo on the same roll had one of the Trent kids standing by a stepladder in the yard with a mischievous grin on his face. I'd bet not 1 UFO buff in 1,000,000 has ever seen -- or been shown -- THAT photo. Anybody hereabouts?

Gilles F. a écrit:Dans les commentaires sur RRR (le thread initial), par "JAF"

Gilles F. a écrit:Je me demande si ce contact ou de telles sources ont réellement existé...

The date of June 6 given for the photos is clearly wrong as the photos were not publicly known until June 9, 10 and LIFE didn't publish the photos until June 26.

Rien n'empêche que ces photos aient été prises par Loomis Dean le 6 juin à la ferme des Trent.